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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2025, 09:48:03 AM »
This is great news. Thank you for all the hard work! I will have to take my daughter up that when she's old enough to get up there.

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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2025, 10:04:09 AM »

This is great news. Thank you for all the hard work! I will have to take my daughter up that when she's old enough to get up there.


Well, well, well, Atomizer has a daughter. That's wonderful. May fatherhood be a tremendous joy to you too.

EDIT: and what did you name her?

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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2025, 10:06:56 AM »
Thanks and congratulations on the baby!

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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2025, 06:16:18 AM »
Well, well, well, Atomizer has a daughter. That's wonderful. May fatherhood be a tremendous joy to you too.

EDIT: and what did you name her?

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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2025, 06:32:32 AM »
Very nice name.

Since you're a dad now and you mentioned spelling a name backward, we might as well get you ready with the following dad joke:

Did you know that t‌‌he word “‌‌nothing” i‌‌s a‌‌ palindrome?

Backwards, i‌‌t spells "‌‌gnihton,” which ‌means... nothing.

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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2025, 06:04:57 AM »

 Congratulations on the arrival of your daughter Atomizer!

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 “Look at the orange marmalade!”
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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2025, 10:12:35 AM »
Last Saturday at Spike's Peak, a party told us that they intended to climb Condor Condiment, but someone was rebolting it so they came over instead. That got me curious. There had to be a mudncrud'er! On Tuesday, I took a peek at the forum despite being only half qualified to read here since I'm not a dude. I enjoyed Noal's nice photo report. Then I checked out MP and Ricky Harline's comment got me conflicted. I found myself texting Mr. Mud, "I'm risk averse these days and not sure if I want to knowingly put myself on a runout route." A minute later, after seeing his response, "Understood," I made the decision, "Will go for it..." Yes, I can change my mind that fast; and yes, Mr. Mud has gotten soft.

Chris took no convincing at all. As a matter of fact, he had been interested in it for a long time. While on the drive, it started to look like we might have to rock paper scissors to determine who would win the p1 lead. But then I remembered how I got lost a week ago while jogging back to the car alone with the intention of reaching the car before Chris so I could have time to prepare some food for the drive. And that was on the return of an out and back hike! (He ended up waiting for me at the locked car.) I could very possibly get totally lost on p4 and turn the outing into an overnight epic. Nope, p4 is his! And that settles p1 since we'd be swinging leads.

Chris had the good idea to hike up Condor Gulch trail so we could access the formation hiking south on High Peaks Trail. When the formation came into full view, it matched Brad's topo perfectly. We were able to identify the two streaks. Now, it just needs to grow, or regrow, a small bent pine so it becomes visible. Once we saw the formation and the route, the approach off trail was very easy and obvious to follow. In no time, we were at the start. If in the past, people accidentally got on Condorks after missing this start, there should be no excuse in the future now that the new bolts are easy to spot.

I was glad to be wearing my precision face climbing shoes on the lower part of p1. There is still abundant moss cover that only a small selection of trustworthy crimps are visible, which requires delicate climbing, but they are all solid. I never felt desperate for bolts leading on this climb, whether it was on p1 or on p3 ("10a" variation) where I did not place any gear. I have a tracked max heart rate 107bpm (of the all day climbing) to prove.

The close proximity of bolts 7 and 8 on p1 puzzled me and I skipped one. I later saw the picture of bolt 7 posted on MP and came to understand why. The belay on top of P3 now has the original bolt (in a visibly good shape) and a new bolt, so I doubt anyone would bother placing cams for it in the future. As for the "10a" variation on p3, I feel a need to use double quotes every time I mention it. While we were on the summit of Condor Condiment, Chirs described Mr. Bolt Jangles, our next objective to me, "it's a little harder than the '10a' variation on p3, but easier than p1." I understood exactly what he meant, and later thought it was accurate.

With the new bolts and abundant solid ground on this four pitch climb that leads to a cool summit, I think the route has the right to become one of the classics at Pinnacles. Now we just need Brad to go yell at those cordors lost at Spike's Peaks that they are on the wrong crag to make Condor Crags whole.

P.S. Oh, how ungrateful of me to have forgotten to say thank you to Noal, Marco, and Ryan for the rebolting effort and ASCA for the hardware! Now, let me go find a suit to put on. [Ref]





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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2025, 10:53:10 AM »
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Last Saturday at Spike's Peak, a party told us that they intended to climb Condor Condiment, but someone was rebolting it so they came over instead.

These guys were really understanding.  At first I offered to just let them climb through but they were a party of three or four so they said they'd come back another day and climb with the new bolts.  I suggested the routes at Spike's peak to them as an alternative.  Later I could see you and Chris on Spike's and figured it was those guys.

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Then I checked out MP and Ricky Harline's comment got me conflicted.

His post there is very misleading but I respect his opinion.(except the statement that the first pitch has climbing as hard as Lava Falls)  I had not climbed the route since 2011 and my recollection was not very good.  I had also read his post and was thinking "wow this thing might be worse than I recall or maybe I just had a strong head for run out climbs back then"  I ended up leading it the other day because Marco's finger was still injured.  The first pitch is pretty low angle.  I even skipped the 4th bolt that is a little out right and still felt comfortable.  Having the new bolts now takes out part of the sketch factor so hopefully people will feel a little less stressed out.

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I took a peek at the forum despite being only half qualified to read here since I'm not a dude

That's good.  You will avoid the dreaded stick clip. :D

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The belay on top of P3 now has the original bolt (in good shape visibly) and a new bolt, so I doubt anyone would bother placing cams for it in the future.
We left the old bolt there as a historical thing and also because we were short on time.  People can still throw a cam in the crack if so inclined.  If anyone has an objection to the old bolt still being there I can go pull it when I have time. 

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P.S. Oh, how ungrateful of me to have forgotten to say thank you to Noal, Marco, and Ryan for the rebolting effort and ASCA for the hardware! Now, let me go find a suit to put on.

Thanks!  I'm glad you enjoyed having the new hardware.  It's a fun and adventurous route.  It's good to know that Marco and Ryan are capable and willing to carry on doing route maintenance for the coming decades.








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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2025, 12:00:33 PM »
Just chiming in to say thanks for the rebolting effort and great report. As mudworm mentioned, I had wanted to get on this one for quite a while & it was sure nice to be up there a week after y'all.  The mixed nature of the route provides a nice adventurous feeling (Not being particularly bold, I placed 4 pieces on P2 & would have placed several on P3 had it been my lead). Four fun pitches to the top of something (one of the major formations at that), what more could one ask for?

These guys were really understanding.  At first I offered to just let them climb through but they were a party of three or four so they said they'd come back another day and climb with the new bolts.  I suggested the routes at Spike's peak to them as an alternative.  Later I could see you and Chris on Spike's and figured it was those guys.

That crew had a blast on Spikes Peak. We chatted for a bit and they climbed (at least) Abuela Cochinita, Poached Pig (TR), Little Javelina, and Swine Flue. I'm sure they will return and be grateful for the effort that went into those shinny new bolts.

We left the old bolt there as a historical thing and also because we were short on time.  People can still throw a cam in the crack if so inclined.  If anyone has an objection to the old bolt still being there I can go pull it when I have time. 

Seems cool as is. Sound anchor & nice reference to the history of the route.

Thanks again to Noal, Marco, and Ryan for your fine work!!


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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2025, 12:11:42 PM »
Thanks Chris!

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That crew had a blast on Spikes Peak.

I see from your post on Mt. Project that you and mudworm enjoyed the routes there too.  Gavin and Brian (with help from Brad and Fletcher on a couple) really put up some nice routes there.  It is truly a worthwhile destination to spend the whole day in the High Peaks. Super cool summits with across the board quality climbing.  Top notch can't recommend enough.

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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2025, 01:06:22 PM »
I see from your post on Mt. Project that you and mudworm enjoyed the routes there too.  Gavin and Brian (with help from Brad and Fletcher on a couple) really put up some nice routes there.  It is truly a worthwhile destination to spend the whole day in the High Peaks. Super cool summits with across the board quality climbing.  Top notch can't recommend enough.

I agree to all that about Spikes Peak! Thanks, Gavin and Brian!

Swine Flue is pure fun, and so unique! And the close condor sighting at the crag is a treat.

That's good.  You will avoid the dreaded stick clip. :D

But I love stick clip! Okay, I love the concept of a stick clip as I don't actually use it much. Anything to prevent me from getting injured is good. I wish the April's Fool joke was left in. It was a good one, well suited in this thread.


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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2025, 03:05:36 PM »
I even skipped the 4th bolt that is a little out right and still felt comfortable.  Having the new bolts now takes out part of the sketch factor so hopefully people will feel a little less stressed out.

I felt uncomfortable belaying for this section. My sketch factor and stress was high until Noal clipped the spooky button head.


Gavin and Brian (with help from Brad and Fletcher on a couple) really put up some nice routes there. 

Every line that Gavin picks turns into a great rock climb.

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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2025, 07:01:03 PM »
Nice thread.

Very few climbers there today, but the place was swarming with hikers and parking was completely full on the East Side by some time between 9:00 and 10:00. Spring break.

I'm glad you liked the topo, mudworm. did you notice though that the oddly angled pine was no longer there? I watched in sadness over some years as it seemed to wither and then die and finally fall off. I removed it from the most recent version of the topo.

EDIT: Hey Chris, are you the same Chris I saw a few times in one season climbing a The Smokestack a few years ago? If my memory is correct, it's nice to see that you're still frequenting the High Peaks.

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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2025, 06:58:30 AM »
did you notice though that the oddly angled pine was no longer there? I watched in sadness over some years as it seemed to wither and then die and finally fall off. I removed it from the most recent version of the topo.

We definitely discussed the absence of the bent pine tree. I thought maybe it could have referred to the small pine shrub inside the white streak, but more likely the tree was no longer there. I'm not surprised to learn that you are on top of this detail & have already updated the topo!

EDIT: Hey Chris, are you the same Chris I saw a few times in one season climbing a The Smokestack a few years ago? If my memory is correct, it's nice to see that you're still frequenting the High Peaks.

One in the same. You are generous to call my junk show on the smokestack "climbing." If I recall correctly, I started up one route got a little spooked, traversed across the face to the other route making a hideous "Z" with the rope.

But yes - I do love visiting pinnacles, particularly mellow pinnacle-bagging in the high peaks. After condor condiment, we revisited some favorites. The N Finger register provided some evidence of consistent high peaks visitation:







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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2025, 09:53:32 AM »
did you notice though that the oddly angled pine was no longer there? I watched in sadness over some years as it seemed to wither and then die and finally fall off. I removed it from the most recent version of the topo.

Did I?

Now, it just needs to grow, or regrow, a small bent pine so it becomes visible.

If my hint of the missing small bent pine was too subtle, I wonder if my grade adjustment suggestion was also too subtle.

While we were on the summit of Condor Condiment, Chirs described Mr. Bolt Jangles, our next objective to me, "it's a little harder than the '10a' variation on p3, but easier than p1." I understood exactly what he meant, and later thought it was accurate.

I know upgrading/downgrading is always a triggering discussion. Here is my candid opinion: P1 is 5.9. p3 straight up (through the bolt) is 5.8. It's the obvious way to go, so I don't even see the point of having the left 5.7R variation.
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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2025, 03:42:08 PM »
Nope, ZOOOM, right over my aged head, mudworm. I missed it but it is now quite obvious. In my defense, I read it on a phone and often such reading doesn't register with me as well?

Yep, that was a tenacious tree.

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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2025, 06:39:38 AM »
Nice thread.

Very few climbers there today, but the place was swarming with hikers and parking was completely full on the East Side by some time between 9:00 and 10:00. Spring break.


Elaine and I were going to be down for two days, but I got sick. Now we'll have to find a make up date.

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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2025, 11:04:16 AM »
P1 is 5.9. p3 straight up (through the bolt) is 5.8. It's the obvious way to go, so I don't even see the point of having the left 5.7R variation.
I could certainly see P1 being 5.9, I'm very much out of shape though (well more of a round shape). Ryan and Noal also expressed that the "10a" was easier than that.

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Re: Condor Condiment Rebolting
« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2025, 10:19:38 AM »
Now's the time to change the rating in the book if it's gonna be done.

Noal, Marco, Ryan and mudworm:  trying to be scrupulously accurate but slightly on the conservative side, 5.8 or 5.9?

Of course if the first pitch is 5.9, then the route's rating changes to 5.9 too.

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« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2025, 11:59:05 AM »
5.8

If anything maybe change the rating of the 10a variation.

The first pitch crux move I believe is at the 3rd bolt. There is a slight bulge there.  My first instinct was to go straight over the bulge but if you trend slightly right it is 5.8.  I followed this with a heavy backpack last time and still thought it was 5.8.

The rest of the climbing up to the last bolt is 5.6-5.7.  The climbing after that is low 5th on good rock.  There is not any  5.9 climbing anywhere else on the route.

If you look at the suggested ratings on Mt. Project you get an idea how the general climbing public feels   there are two votes for 5.9 one being Ricky Harline...... Like I said up thread I respect his right to his opinion but he comments that he feels the easy top portion of the first pitch is solid 5.6/5.7 climbing.