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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2014, 01:40:40 PM »
I don't know what to say, that is a mighty impressive list. Even more impressive than the amount of climbs is how consistent the X's are on your checklist. Good job, I'm sure you could tell campfire tales for years without any repeats.

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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2014, 02:12:51 PM »

... I'm sure you could tell campfire tales for years without any repeats.


There are people on this site who will probably insist that I already do  ;)

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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2014, 08:13:30 PM »
There are people on this site who will probably insist that I already do  ;)

Oh geez...not THAT story AGAIN!
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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2014, 07:07:04 PM »
Dennis, John and Jon and I were discussing various Pinns routes, their relative danger and fun levels, and which ones we'd done and had yet to do. A couple times I used the phrase "not on my 25 scariest Pinns routes list." So Dennis called me on it, he asked which routes were on my 25 scariest Pinns routes list. So I wrote them down.

It was a fun exercise - I hadn't even thought about several of the routes on the list for years. I also conceded that there were routes that I knew of that seemed scary too, but I hadn't done them and wasn't sure. I gave three examples of "hadn't done them" routes that I thought looked pretty damn scary (the climbs "Hate," "Discontent," and "Terminal Buttress - Last Ever Variation," all put up by none other than Mr. Mud himself).

So here's my list:

TOP FOUR SCARIEST LEADS AT PINNACLES (that I have done; not in any intentional order):

-  520.5. Seldom Seen Pinnacle - West Face  5.8 X (Take a rope, it'll make you feel like you're not free soloing. Besides, with a rope, if the second pitch leader falls, he might take the belayer with him. Did this with David Harden.)

-  854. Herchel Berchel  5.11a R  (I had to be rescued from the third pitch of this the first time I tried it - thanks again Dennis. Did that first try with Robert Behrens. Then did it with Dennis - he led the crux pitch though. So I went back and led that pitch with Jennifer Wang. I've led all three pitches.)

-  0.5 Flake Don't Break  5.9+  (Will any of your gear hold a fall? Will any of your holds stay on the rock? Did this with Gavin Emmons.)

-  413. Needful  5.8 R  (We joke about "kitty litter." On this one it's true. Total crap rock and total crap gear. For most of a rope length. I estimate that, while leading this, I knocked off a cumulative total of at least 100 pounds of rock. Did this with Robert Behrens.)

THE NEXT FOUR SCARIEST LEADS AT PINNACLES (that I have done; not in any intentional order):

-  828. Desperado Chute Out - Denny Colliver Direct  5.9 R  (Start on an easier route, at a one bolt belay 200 feet up. But that one bolt is backed up by gear scattered between knobs at your feet. And then it's only one rope length to the top; I used a 75 meter rope and still had to brace myself among lodestones for the belay. With no anchor. Oh, and bonus, there's a bolt protecting that 75 meters of climbing. And yes, that's meters, not feet. Did this with Jeff Lane.)

-  822. Icarus  5.9 R A3 (It's hard to define why this one is scary - and yet it scared me a lot. The possible 40 to 50 foot lob off the 5.9 would be all air, and that's safe. The belay at the top of the second pitch is interesting. And, for Kevin, the aid was intricate and hard. Did this with Kevin Deweese.)

-  816. Pigeon Crack  5.6 X (it's really 5.8 X) (It took me three leads of this before I figured out that the climb has never gone further. That's a lot of kitty litter packed into 55 feet. Did this with David Harden and then Jim McConachie and then Kevin Deweese.)

-  792. The Arch - Up the Center  5.8 A3 (In a way this one is odd to be scared on/of. A leader is never more than 40 feet off a usually-sandy/soft creek bed. And yet, with a horrible, pivoting slamming-into-the-vertical-wall potential, and with 10 pitons driven straight up into a Pinnacles roof crack - six of those being knifeblades - I was exhausted, bathed in sweat and completely, utterly spent physically and mentally after this one. I did it with John Cook.)

THE NEXT 17 SCARIEST LEADS AT PINNACLES (that I have done; not in any intentional order):

-  450. Wild Turkey  5.10b R

-  780. Flies on a Pile  5.9 R

-  713. Premeditated  5.5 A3

-  642. Elephant Rock - Never Forget  5.10a R

-  798. Daedalus 5.8 R A1

-  455. Crap Chute  5.9 R

-  411. Needle's Eye  5.8 R

-  375. Outcast - South Face  5.6 R

-  345. Fear and Perspiration  5.10a R

-  340. Atlas Shrugs  5.9 R

-  327. Back of The Hand  5.6 R

-  329. Salathe - Wilts Bolt Variation  5.6 R

-  103. Gutter  5.10b R

-  86. Here Comes the Judge  5.11a R

-  55. The Embarrassment of Rich's  5.9+

-  637. Lonesome Bolt 5.6 R (Really 5.8 X)

-  9. Rollerball  5.9 R

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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2014, 08:53:12 PM »
I've redacted my guidebook - jk.
There's a few I may get to one of these days...
Just as an FYI -
Lonesome bolt is in the corrections sticky as 5.8X :)
I was dumb enough to lead Sheepish using that same bolt. That was scary enough for me.
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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2014, 08:56:41 PM »

Lonesome bolt is in the corrections sticky as 5.8X :)


Good point. It's a close call, but I gave it the 5.8 X much closer to when I did it, so my memory was probably better. I edited the list above to show it as "X."

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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2014, 06:57:44 AM »
 Herchel Berchel  5.11
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(I had to be rescued from the third pitch of this the first time I tried it - thanks again Dennis. Did that first try with Robert Behrens. Then did it with Dennis - he led the crux pitch though. So I went back and led that pitch with Jennifer Wang. I've led all three pitches.)
I see a pattern.

Herchel Berchel is the only one I am aware of doing.
Terminal Buttress the way we went was the worst lead I have done at Pinns.
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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2014, 07:27:40 AM »
Herchel Berchel  5.11I see a pattern.

Herchel Berchel is the only one I am aware of doing.
Terminal Buttress the way we went was the worst lead I have done at Pinns.

OK, I'll bite. What pattern do you see?  >:D

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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2014, 07:44:59 AM »
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OK, I'll bite. What pattern do you see?  Evil

No one, in their right mind, goes back for seconds or thirds. That is why I gently call "it" a "condition", (and admire your bravery from a safe distance).
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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2014, 11:49:04 AM »
After Brad sent his list I started to work on one.  I did not originally see his list until he mentioned the attachment.  I did it while working late so it is not complete and I have not listed 25 routes.  Have been a bit busy lately with work.  Will try and come up with a more complete list later.  Some of mine are listed as scary because they were at the time not necessarily because the routes are scary.

this list is in no order

Needful; I rope soloed this, it was loose and sketchy.  When on top I just stood there for a bit. 

Only a Lad; I was up at Marmot soloing and rope soling a bunch of stuff and decided to do this.  I think I had actually lead it before but for some reason I thought this was a good idea.  Just shy of the anchors as I was pulling over the top the rope came tight.  I can’t remember if I was using knots at this time or the Gri-Gri but I was have a super difficult time getting the rope to feed out.  I just was not in a good position and did not think I could reverse my move but I could not go up either.  Could not really let go, loose hold for my left foot.  Really thought I was going to pitch on this one.  On getting down it turns out my rope had wound around a small stick and got stuck

Gutter; I do not think this route is to bad but it is full value and you really need two ropes to pull it off.

Premeditated; Took kind of a big fall, lowered to the ground then went back up.  One of those weird leads where I started to blank out.  I know I did quite a few free moves and I remember getting to the upper crack that leads to the belay.  I had a tips finger lock and placed a blue alien and tried to wiggle it in when it got stuck tipped out.  Tried to get it loose but it would not move.  I was just starring at it.  Really did not think it would hold body weight, finally just pulled through got a few moves up, got in an ok green alien, kept moving higher until I got a better cam in.  Was kind of surprised I could hang out that long.

90% Inspiration; Did it without the current 1st and 4th bolt.  Got up to just before the steeper loose stuff and had basically had a no hands rest but could not move out of it.  Did not want to move up or down.  I think I asked Clint to go get help and I think he was on his way when I just started to get real pissed at myself for being so chicken shit.  It just hit me and everything started to come together.  I knew the climbing was not easy, and there was a fair bit of loose rock but at the same time it  just did not seem hard.  Another route where I got to the point where I kind of blanked out and just climbed.  I think there was probably too much cussing on this lead and probably to much whining.

Swallow Crack; The very first time I lead it and the very first time I free soloed it I got stuck on that upper ramp ( the one after turning the corner ).  Both times I thought I was going to fall and stalled out for probably 5 to 10 minutes.  That route always gave me fits.  I have done it very casually but I tend to get the jitters when I get on it thinking of those days.

Herchel Berchel was kinda sketch before the rebolts.  The bolts in the ladder did not inspire and the runout was heads up even though not real hard.

Denny Colliver Direct; leader and follower cannot fall.  Belayed sitting on my haunches on some slab that I was wishing was not so steep thinking if Clint fell he would pull me into the abyss.  Brad had the right idea of using a 70 meter rope.

Wild Turkey; The pro did not inspire and neither did not rock.

Tick in Time;  Will put this route on this list.  Not real sure how scared I was, but it was dam loose.  The first/second crux was loose and I did not know about the gear.  The upper part, I figured I was wedged in good enough there was no way I could fall, but damn.

No Holds Barred Direct; First time I lead this I did everything but fall and I did not really trust the gear.  Still scary.

Terminal Buttress Final Version (Brad’s Name but it is good);  Did this cuz it was there.  Just started up and kept going.  Used a full rack and was wishing for bigger gear up top.  Another route where it all just kicked in.  Thought falling might be a bad idea but kinda felt calm at the same time.  There were moments on the route where I just kinda hung out and took it all in.

Carpal Tunnel; Getting up to the big knob had my full attention, then after slinging it I had to wonder how good it was.  On a later ascent I was feeling my oats and sat on it and it held.  So it must be good.  Good runout to the top.

Machete Regular Route; rope soloed this and the exit moves over that last bulge while not all that hard had my full attention.

Knife Blade Direct; large portions of this thing is hollow.

Cataract Corner; not a scary route because the fall is safe but after pulling the crux I was trying to reach down and clip the rope into the draw and it was a delicate move.  Was super pumped and kept wondering if I could hang on.

Delusion Overhang; Not real hard but the gear kind of sucks and the exit moves are loose.

Forgot the name of the route but I know Brad knows this one.  That route in the high peaks that starts of the hand rail.  If you fall on the starting moves it is going to hurt.  Not bad after that.


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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #50 on: November 19, 2014, 12:16:31 PM »

No one, in their right mind...


And yet, if I'm not mistaken in my understanding, you hang out with him, including climbing together, and you call him a friend  :o

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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #51 on: November 19, 2014, 12:38:47 PM »
Needful; I rope soloed this, it was loose and sketchy.  When on top I just stood there for a bit.

At least you and I got the leads. And then there's poor Munge, who had to belay under a shower of rock and then follow the PoS.


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Only a Lad; I was up at Marmot soloing and rope soling a bunch of stuff and decided to do this.  I think I had actually lead it before but for some reason I thought this was a good idea.  Just shy of the anchors as I was pulling over the top the rope came tight.  I can’t remember if I was using knots at this time or the Gri-Gri but I was have a super difficult time getting the rope to feed out.  I just was not in a good position and did not think I could reverse my move but I could not go up either.  Could not really let go, loose hold for my left foot.  Really thought I was going to pitch on this one.  On getting down it turns out my rope had wound around a small stick and got stuck

This reminds me of a difference between you and I. You've made me do scary routes, but I've never made you do any (well, at Pinns at least - I kinda made/begged you to do Wet Denim Nightmare with me).


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Premeditated; Took kind of a big fall, lowered to the ground then went back up.  One of those weird leads where I started to blank out.  I know I did quite a few free moves and I remember getting to the upper crack that leads to the belay.  I had a tips finger lock and placed a blue alien and tried to wiggle it in when it got stuck tipped out.  Tried to get it loose but it would not move.  I was just starring at it.  Really did not think it would hold body weight, finally just pulled through got a few moves up, got in an ok green alien, kept moving higher until I got a better cam in.  Was kind of surprised I could hang out that long.

Was this on a free attempt after you and I did it as an aid route?


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90% Inspiration; Did it without the current 1st and 4th bolt.  Got up to just before the steeper loose stuff and had basically had a no hands rest but could not move out of it.  Did not want to move up or down.  I think I asked Clint to go get help and I think he was on his way when I just started to get real pissed at myself for being so chicken shit.  It just hit me and everything started to come together.  I knew the climbing was not easy, and there was a fair bit of loose rock but at the same time it  just did not seem hard.  Another route where I got to the point where I kind of blanked out and just climbed.  I think there was probably too much cussing on this lead and probably to much whining.

One of my favorite climbing stories ever, from any climbing location, comes from my second ascent of this route where you followed me.


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Swallow Crack; The very first time I lead it and the very first time I free soloed it I got stuck on that upper ramp ( the one after turning the corner ).  Both times I thought I was going to fall and stalled out for probably 5 to 10 minutes.  That route always gave me fits.  I have done it very casually but I tend to get the jitters when I get on it thinking of those days.

Solution: don't free solo at Pinns  ;)


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Herchel Berchel was kinda sketch before the rebolts.  The bolts in the ladder did not inspire and the runout was heads up even though not real hard.

If I had fallen of that third pitch on my first try I'd have pulled the single, crappy quarter inch bolt and taken a 200 footer. Now if one fell there (at the 5.7/5.8 headwall) it would only be an 80 or 90 foot fall (but then can you get any more dead than dead?).


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Denny Colliver Direct; leader and follower cannot fall.  Belayed sitting on my haunches on some slab that I was wishing was not so steep thinking if Clint fell he would pull me into the abyss.  Brad had the right idea of using a 70 meter rope.

I totally forgot that you and Clint did this too. Was it easier for you - climbing without knowing what you'd find - or for me, knowing exactly what I'd find?


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Wild Turkey; The pro did not inspire and neither did not rock.

See above comment about you making me do routes and me never making you do any.


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Terminal Buttress Final Version (Brad’s Name but it is good);  Did this cuz it was there.  Just started up and kept going.  Used a full rack and was wishing for bigger gear up top.  Another route where it all just kicked in.  Thought falling might be a bad idea but kinda felt calm at the same time.  There were moments on the route where I just kinda hung out and took it all in.

I'm not sure I'll ever get around to leading this one.


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Knife Blade Direct; large portions of this thing is hollow.

I'd totally forgotten about that. But aren't there trees (or a tree) that you can sling?


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Forgot the name of the route but I know Brad knows this one.  That route in the high peaks that starts of the hand rail.  If you fall on the starting moves it is going to hurt.  Not bad after that.

526. Condor Crag North - Denny-Colliver Route.




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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #52 on: November 19, 2014, 01:04:06 PM »

90% Inspiration; Did it without the current 1st and 4th bolt.  Got up to just before the steeper loose stuff and had basically had a no hands rest but could not move out of it.  Did not want to move up or down.  I think I asked Clint to go get help and I think he was on his way when I just started to get real pissed at myself for being so chicken shit.  It just hit me and everything started to come together.  I knew the climbing was not easy, and there was a fair bit of loose rock but at the same time it  just did not seem hard.  Another route where I got to the point where I kind of blanked out and just climbed.  I think there was probably too much cussing on this lead and probably to much whining.


I found the story, which bears repeating:

I led Ten Percent Inspiration some years ago (Dennis' memory is off as to the route's name). It was the route's second lead (at least that we know of).

I expected 5.10a since that is what he and Clint had rated it. But I got really surprised by how hard it was for 5.10a. I hung first try, and lowered off and pulled the rope.

I rested and then gave it another (successful) go. Mr Mud followed my lead. As he neared the top of the climb I heard him kind of mumbling. I couldn't quite understand what he was saying, so I asked. He repeated (this time audibly): "I wish I had some more of that."

Naturally I asked: "Some more of what."

His response was classic. He said: "Some more of whatever the hell I was on when I rated that 5.10a."

True story.

The route's solid 5.10c (and it has two more bolts since his first lead - they were added by Clint afterward with Dennis' understanding).

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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #53 on: November 19, 2014, 01:17:41 PM »
nah, it's 10a, just hard for the grade.
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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #54 on: November 19, 2014, 02:09:56 PM »

nah, it's 10a, just hard for the grade.


Yeah, uhhuh.

It looks like everything is still the same as it's always been in Dennisland.

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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2014, 04:24:02 PM »
nice circumvent.
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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2014, 08:36:31 PM »
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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2014, 08:37:58 PM »

Like Disneyland, but where none of the rides are safe.


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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2014, 10:12:57 PM »
At least you and I got the leads. And then there's poor Munge, who had to belay under a shower of rock and then follow the PoS.

This reminds me of a difference between you and I. You've made me do scary routes, but I've never made you do any (well, at Pinns at least - I kinda made/begged you to do Wet Denim Nightmare with me).

I would not want to follow that without getting the lead.  You cornered me into Premeditated, Yankee Pinnacle and that Sonora OW that my mind has an uncanny ability to forget.  Kinda wanted to do them, but you made the call.  I know there is other stuff that I just do not remember.  You pointed me in the direction of a lot of junk or perhaps inspired my toward it, but I am a bit guilty of being a semi willing victim.

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Was this on a free attempt after you and I did it as an aid route?

On our attempt.  I can still see that blue alien.  I wanted so bad for that thing to be good.

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Solution: don't free solo at Pinns  ;)

Not a very good solution.

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If I had fallen of that third pitch on my first try I'd have pulled the single, crappy quarter inch bolt and taken a 200 footer. Now if one fell there (at the 5.7/5.8 headwall) it would only be an 80 or 90 foot fall (but then can you get any more dead than dead?).

I agree, falling on that pitch would be bad for someones health.  Quite glad you did not fall ( we still would not have a new guidebook ;)  )

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I totally forgot that you and Clint did this too. Was it easier for you - climbing without knowing what you'd find - or for me, knowing exactly what I'd find?

I think it was easier not knowing.  The 70 m rope was a wise choice.

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I'd totally forgotten about that. But aren't there trees (or a tree) that you can sling?

I think at the belay.  This route is by definition choss, so it was only fitting I did with Munge.

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526. Condor Crag North - Denny-Colliver Route.

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Re: Pinnacles Climbing: 30 Years and Counting
« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2014, 06:39:07 AM »
I'm way late arriving at this discussion, but I've always thought 866 (Doc Holliday Direct) deserved consideration for an X.  A fall would leave you kissing your belayer's toes - at the very least.