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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2013, 10:11:24 PM »
All but the second pitch.  Well the second might go free but it would be way hard (13 or 14).
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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #61 on: January 09, 2013, 12:32:42 PM »
Two people have asked how Kevin and I did on Icarus.

Thanks for the TR.

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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #62 on: January 09, 2013, 01:08:10 PM »
So whats the few lines-paragraph story of this Icarus route? I vaguely looked at the guidebook earlier while at the gym, but couldn't really comprehend the story or supposed restoration project. It's A3 but would it go free?

Adam, too long and complex a back-story to keyboard. Call me if you'd like to say hi (and I'll tell you the story then), or we'll catch up next time we see each other.

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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #63 on: January 14, 2013, 08:10:26 AM »
Saturday Joel and I had intended to get on a climb that turned out to be running water. So, after he led a route in the sun, and since we had the bolt kit along, we went over to rebolt a bit of Icarus.

I'd brought only a very light rack, so he also led Shortly Tooloose to get up onto the top of the Machete first tier (this route takes less gear than the real first pitch of Icarus). It's been a long time since I've done this route, and I'd forgotten how loose it is at the top (just like the first pitch of Icarus). He did well, and we then did the easy, but also very loose traverse left to the base of Icarus' second pitch.

I hadn't brought aiders or any other aid gear, but I rigged slings to work. I got up to the fourth bolt and hung on that while I stood on the third bolt with my "aiders."

I then proceeded to start the rebolting process, which is the entire purpose of this post. Glen Denny is very tall and his bolt ladders (this one included) require wicked-long reaches. These reaches give this bolt ladder interesting "character." I had previously replaced the second bolt in this ladder, and, to protect this character I'd carefully placed it at the same level as the replaced bolt, 10 inches to the left. Yet when I started "tap tapping" to find good rock for this new replacement bolt , all I heard was "tunk tunk" sounds - like hitting styrofoam with the hammer. Every place I tested at or near the same level as the bolt sounded dicey for a new bolt. I even tested the rock an inch from the bolt - and scared the crap out of myself: "yikes, one more hit and the whole chunk of rock will come out!"

I'm never willing to put  replacement bolt in questionable rock. What's the point of replacing an old, reaching-the-end-of-its-lifespan bolt with a new one in poor rock? But I also didn't want to alter the long reaches on this ladder. What to do? I didn't see a choice: I decided to place the replacement up and right 18 inches in good rock. But this new bolt would be impossible to reach (I had to really stretch to clip the original from the bolt below as it was, and there's no way anyone could reach 18 inches more).  When I made my decision I knew I would also have to place a second replacement bolt lower. I did this. So I replaced the third bolt with two bolts, both in good rock, both less distant from the bolt below. When I replace the old fourth bolt, I'll likely go up several inches above it and in the process fill the distance once taken up by two bolts with three (but three in good rock).

Long explanation for a hard compromise. I'm comfortable that I made the correct decision, but thought I'd post up so it was clear that what I had done altered the route slightly (but doesn't most Pinns rebolting alter the route slightly?).

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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #64 on: January 14, 2013, 08:18:54 AM »
Sound logic in my book. Great seeing you Saturday Brad. Wish my best to Vicki and the girls.
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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #65 on: January 14, 2013, 08:20:17 AM »
Sounds reasonable.

I wonder what the ASCA approach is to similar situations? Probably no hard and fast rule, other than aim for what you have tried to do here.  thx for doing the work!
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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #66 on: January 14, 2013, 10:08:05 PM »
Sounds like you made a good decision Brad. 

I would have just drilled a fat hole, right in that choss, and slammed a euro toothpick in and called it good.
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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #67 on: January 14, 2013, 10:13:05 PM »
Sounds like you made a good decision Brad. 

I would have just drilled a fat hole, right in that choss, and slammed a euro toothpick in and called it good.
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Yes, maybe you would have. But I must be more careful since I outweigh you by 50 or so pounds. Euro-toothpicks and I don't get along well.

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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2013, 11:20:10 AM »
Well I've been silent for a while because Dixie and I broke up days before Brad and I got on Icarus. It came out of the blue and I've had to completely scrap my entire picture of my future and figure out a new direction for my now abandoned and untrusting heart. After climbing with Brad I've been drinking a lot and dealing with the issue, now that school is back in session, I can see straight again. Well, as straight as the world bent through the curve of my tears can be. (super emo I know)

So the first pitch was quite enjoyable for the first 2/3rds of the route. You clip off a tree branch that looks secured to the wall but as Brad learned, it slides about if you're not prepared for it. At this point, if you're small and light like me, you can climb into the tree to take a rest and gather yourself. The protection in the first pitch is Pinnacles good, R anywhere else. The belayer should NOT stand beneath the climb as massive rocks exploded from the upper section from mere brushing of the gear and feet across the face of the rock, showering down.

I had no sight of Brad during the 2nd pitch and failed to tag up the rack along with the iron once he made the single piton "belay" station. Dumb mistake but I was starting to get fried already from the crappy crappy rock quality at the top of the 1st pitch and from what rained down periodically from the 2nd pitch.

On the third pitch I headed up, but the protection was murky at best, set a nest of marginal pieces before a buldge that i'm sure is a free move to reach the base of the obvious A3 section which itself looks like cornflakes sprayed onto the rock with a stucco gun. I couldn't commit to the free move because of the crap rock everywhere. Would it have gone? Definitely, but i couldn't get the head for it. Tried, came down, tried came down, tried came down. Brad suggested a piece of aid, but I didn't see anything that made sense in that section. So bail we did with the waning light, there wasn't time for Brad to have a go. took a bit to figure out the descent but at the bottom we talked it over and rebolting and a bit more figuring out of the sequences are definitely in order.

Need to get back on it but will have to after the closures lift.

Woohoo. failure is nothing more than a step towards success.

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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2013, 11:20:58 AM »
Yes, maybe you would have. But I must be more careful since I outweigh you by 50 or so pounds. Euro-toothpicks and I don't get along well.


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH better get some ointment for that burn skinny boy!

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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2013, 11:35:51 AM »
sorry to hear, seemed like a good thing.  It seems folks typically do not expect stuff to come loose, I didn't.  Rock heals a lot of wounds or a least numbs them well.  The gym is better than a bottle and just as easy to crawl into and get lost.
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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2013, 01:39:51 PM »
PG tonight.

Uber is going to make me and Squiddo into honed bad asses!  LOL
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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #72 on: January 16, 2013, 11:49:25 AM »
It seems folks typically do not expect stuff to come loose, I didn't.

best life metaphor ive seen on a forum in a long time

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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #73 on: November 18, 2013, 06:57:00 PM »
Brad and Kevin got a great start on Icarus today. Brad led the upper free half of the second pitch and felt it was the scariest 5.9 pitch he'd ever led at Pinnacles. Kevin is 40% of the way up the A3 section. Now the weather is moving in early, and they're worried they may have to leave their ropes fixed in place.
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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #74 on: November 18, 2013, 06:58:26 PM »
Thx for the update Vicki!

Hope it stays good for them.
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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #75 on: November 18, 2013, 07:03:46 PM »
Wow great
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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #76 on: November 18, 2013, 08:15:04 PM »
I think the weather will hold until tomorrow night, barring a sprinkle or two.

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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #77 on: November 18, 2013, 08:19:31 PM »
Just checked the sky from my backyard - the moon is shining through high clouds.

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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #78 on: November 18, 2013, 08:21:11 PM »
may the power of the send be with them
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Re: Dreams of Icarus
« Reply #79 on: November 18, 2013, 08:59:30 PM »

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PG tonight.

Uber is going to make me and Squiddo into honed bad asses!  LOL
He'll also try to get you to wear short shorts.

Soledad was pretty nice on Saturday night.
Evidently it's now the gateway to the Pinnacles.
If that's true, then what about Hollister?
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