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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1120 on: December 13, 2020, 06:09:00 PM »
Well save a few to clean up mission impossible...

Impossible sir...they're in Johnson's underwear  ::) :P
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1121 on: December 13, 2020, 06:09:45 PM »
That's the one. Love them pics.

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1122 on: December 13, 2020, 08:53:03 PM »
Your request for retirement has been denied.

retire from rebolting
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1123 on: December 13, 2020, 09:12:57 PM »

Your request for retirement has been denied.


Yes. And with prejudice.

Keep up the fantastic work.


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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1124 on: December 14, 2020, 04:23:50 PM »
Your request for retirement has been denied.

Yes. And with prejudice.
Keep up the fantastic work.

I'm passing the baton (and the puller tool) to you two  :yesnod: :frown2: :idea:
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1125 on: December 14, 2020, 04:48:06 PM »
I did a little rebolting housekeeping today.
One problem with the puller tool is that no matter what you do (add a washer to create a surface, try to hold it as it's tightened down), the surface of the rock or the angle of the old bolt is never square and extracting the bolt inevitably deforms the end of the square tube.

Trimming off the end becomes necessary, followed by a little grinding to get it square again (I don't have any way to miter a metal cut).

The rub is that every time it gets too deformed to operate properly - it gets trimmed a little and shortened and eventually I'll have to replace the square tube. This last trim left me with about 5 inches of pulling capacity (insert joke here).

Here's the seriously deformed piece I trimmed off.





I thought I might be able to reuse the screwlinks that were left on Burtons bolts 5 and 6. I couldn't get them loose with a wrench, so I put them in a vise and with full size vise grip pliers and a cheater bar more than 2 feet long I could barely move the coupler nuts.
Both of the screwlinks were rated Petzl maillons. They must have been on those bolts for quite some time. If they had been on anchor chains - the only way they were coming off was with a hacksaw. That would suck since I don't carry one and don't plan to start! This is an excellent reason to use pipe tape on screwlink threads (either that or carry and apply anti-seize compound).
Heads up for installing any chains that will eventually have to be replaced :yesnod:

I nominate F4 to go around to all the new routes and apply anti-seize compound to all screwlink threads.  :yesnod: :thumbup: :biggrin:
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1126 on: December 14, 2020, 06:42:23 PM »
Urinating helps, right?
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1127 on: December 14, 2020, 07:36:21 PM »
Try putting a propane torch to the quick links. 

Might wanna try a thicker wall square tube for the puller tool.

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1128 on: December 15, 2020, 08:29:50 AM »
Try putting a propane torch to the quick links. 

Might wanna try a thicker wall square tube for the puller tool.

Good suggestions.
That first one sounds like it might be the hot ticket.

I measured the tubing and was surprised to see it's only 3/64ths thick.
A 4 foot length of 1/8 thick is only about 15 or 20 bucks - that would keep me operating longer than I want to.
I imagine the guy that made this tool chose the thinner gauge to save weight - it is already heavy equipment in terms of rebolting.
Retirement from rebolting is sounding better and better.
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1129 on: December 15, 2020, 08:43:27 AM »

Try putting a propane torch to the quick links. 


"Rock climber causes brush fire, burns down all of Pinnacles... film at 11:00!"

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1130 on: December 15, 2020, 09:21:24 AM »
Try putting a propane torch to the quick links. 

"Rock climber causes brush fire, burns down all of Pinnacles... film at 11:00!"

I know you're just trying to be funny but...
Just so people don't get the wrong idea - I would NEVER carry a blowtorch to the crags.
No big wrenches or breaker bars either.
Hacksaw would be easier and lighter.
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1131 on: December 15, 2020, 09:31:46 AM »

I know you're just trying to be funny but...
Just so people don't get the wrong idea - I would NEVER carry a blowtorch to the crags.


Of course not. But there are some people out there who've done stranger things.

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1132 on: December 15, 2020, 09:35:44 AM »
^^^

Brings to mind that fire ring with lots of ashes and charred wood that we broke up near Pipsqueak Pinnacle a few P.C.A.D.s ago.


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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1133 on: December 15, 2020, 10:42:47 AM »
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Rock climber causes brush fire, burns down all of Pinnacles... film at 11:00! 

Sounded to me like John had the quick links at home. He was talking about putting them in a vise.  We know John would definitely not take a vise to the crags.  A few years ago....maybe.

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1134 on: December 15, 2020, 12:04:02 PM »
Sounded to me like John had the quick links at home. He was talking about putting them in a vise.  We know John would definitely not take a vise to the crags.  A few years ago....maybe.

That was never one of my vices.

Maybe we should carry in an anvil and bolt it to the Anvil...
or put a hatchet and a nail puller on the Hatchet?

A hooka on Pipeloads to Pluto perhaps?
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1135 on: December 15, 2020, 12:05:49 PM »
^^^

And Axe Pinnacle? That one is already set up properly, isn't it?

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1136 on: December 15, 2020, 01:24:19 PM »
How bout the unmentionable?

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1137 on: December 15, 2020, 02:21:33 PM »
How bout the unmentionable?

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1138 on: January 19, 2021, 09:55:40 AM »

Last Wednesday Kat and I headed up to the High Peaks to get some rebolting done before the closures kicked in (today).

I was originally thinking Papa Bear's Regular Route but changed my mind and we went to Little Dome near H&L to work on Got You.

I'd led this climb years ago and knew the two lead bolts were star dryvins on Leepers.

When I dropped in to start the work, I was surprised to find that they were stars but were 1/4 inch versions (not the "normal" 3/8).

The top lead bolt had the sleeves under the hanger (whoops!). I was shocked by how small these things are. The nail is 3/16 x 1 1/4.
Embedment with the hanger and sleeves is a mere 1 1/8.

The old bolt





The new bolt





The 1st bolt was in some chunky, brittle rock. A couple light taps of the tuning fork caused some big chunks to break out from underneath the hanger and the bolt nearly fell out. A couple more light taps with my modified slotted chisel and the whole thing popped out.


The old bolt with surrounding chunky rock. You can see boundaries around the chunks where they are ready to pop out.





The new bolt





I was able to drill out both original holes and carefully carved down the surfaces to get the hangers on stable substrate.


Here is a shot of the two old bolts with a new bolt for comparison. Note the left bolt is completely intact.





1/4 inch and 3/8 inch star dryvin pieces for comparison (I dug the 3/8 inch pieces out of my old hardware collection).
You can't appreciate how tiny the 1/4 inch pieces are until you hold them in your hand.





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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #1139 on: January 19, 2021, 11:17:46 AM »
On Thursday last week Kat and I returned to the High Peaks for some more rebolting. I had replaced the anchor on Tuff Dome on New Year's Day and on that same day, I inspected Aliens Ate My Buick and Adagio as I rappelled. Both climbs needed some work. The top 2 bolts on Adagio are 5 pc bolts on modern hangers but the remaining 4 bolts (including the crux bolt) are all stud bolts with the first 3 on SMC Death hangers. All the bolts on Aliens Ate My Buick were stud bolts (presumably split shafts) with SMC Death hangers on the first two. I decided to make Aliens Ate My Buick the priority. The work went swimmingly for the first 3 bolts (5, 4, and 3). I was able to extract the old studs with my puller tool and reuse the holes. The top bolt was a long split shaft (3 inch), bolt 4 was a regular length split shaft (2 1/2) and the 3rd/crux bolt was a garbage wedge bolt (2 3/4) in not so great rock. It was pointing slightly down (toward the ground) and pulled out with disturbing ease (I shouldn't be able to pull a wedge bolt with my tool). I didn't realize it was a wedge until it came out. I recognized something important afterwards, while inspecting the bolt characteristics. Both wedge bolts that came off the route had threads right up to the end of the shaft. The three split shafts have a small unthreaded portion at the tip of the bolt. I didn't notice this important difference while hanging on the climb all day. With a 5 bolt "run" I was intensely focused on moving efficiently and getting the work done before I pooped out. This important visual will help me with better recognition in the future. The other distinguishing feature of some wedges is a letter stamped into the end of the bolt to indicate length. Unfortunately, not all wedge bolts have this and there are also set bolts that look like wedges but aren't - arghhhh!


Here is a picture of all the old bolts (#1 to 5 from left to right). Note the difference in the stud ends.





Here is the new crux bolt





When I got down to bolt 2, I knew the situation was not good. The bolt was severely crooked and the surface was extremely irregular.
The surface disintegrated when the bolt pulled out and the hole was so crooked that reusing the hole was hopeless.


Here is the old bolt. Crooked in the up/down and extremely crooked side-to-side.





The first bolt was a long wedge (3/8 x 3 5/8) - see picture above. I wondered why it was so resistant to being pulled out. When it finally did come out, I wondered where the sleeve was. Of course it was still in the hole and even with a pick tool, I could not budge it. I was not happy, since reusing that hole would have been a thing of beauty. Such is the nature of rebolting.



Old bolt 1 - a bit crooked and with a Death hanger. Strangely, it had a washer under the hanger. The difference in the end of the stud is fairly subtle. I will be watching more carefully for this in the future.





I have to remember to take aiders when rebolting steep climbs so I have a place to stand.
I tied loops in the rope to stand in and get some relief around bolt 3 - after my feet had already fallen asleep repeatedly.


Hanging around on the rebolt of Aliens Ate My Buick. Day 3 of service 2021. Why do I do this? Endeavor to persevere...




I heard the Dawsons led this climb on Saturday. I'll put Adagio as first priority when the closures lift.   

 
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