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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #380 on: January 20, 2015, 08:27:47 PM »
When I did the onsight a couple years ago with Aaron, we saw the anchor but with no chains we opted to do a belayed downclimb using the one old, loose lead bolt since you can unclip it once you make the moves to get below it.
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #381 on: January 20, 2015, 08:29:05 PM »
I think Mr. Mud may have misunderstood what go rebolted, that's all.

Did I miss something?
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #382 on: January 20, 2015, 08:52:30 PM »

He's old and feeble…I get it.


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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #383 on: January 20, 2015, 09:10:00 PM »
well aged.
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #384 on: January 20, 2015, 10:03:36 PM »
Geez - I was hoping for DIE!
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #385 on: January 20, 2015, 10:37:06 PM »
Work has me distracted.
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #386 on: January 20, 2015, 10:55:23 PM »
die


I only do lower case die anymore. :)
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #387 on: January 20, 2015, 11:05:55 PM »
DIE
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #388 on: January 21, 2015, 08:09:43 AM »
die

DIE

There's just something about the second one that makes me feel better.
I can start my day now :)
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #389 on: January 21, 2015, 10:58:58 AM »
very robust
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #390 on: January 25, 2015, 11:40:14 PM »
Clint and I were up in the Hanging Valley last week where we rebolted both the Toilet Seat and Kasparek's Delight.

Toilet Seat: The guidebook says there are two bolts for an anchor.  We found only one(3/8" Star Dryvin).  Clint ripped the sling in half with his hands.  We put in two bolts plus quick links and a link of chain.  The anchors are close to the lip making for a bit of a dicey start of the rappel, but that's the way it was when we found it and it is nice to clip the anchor before making the final moves to the top.

Kasperek's Delight:  We replaced both lead bolts.  The lower bolt was most likely placed during the first ascent in 1946.  The second bolt was most likely placed in the late 60's or early 70's.  During the FA in 1946 Ax Nelson and his crew probably used a ring angle pin in the big hole that is just right of the current location of the second bolt.  BTW, this hole looks natural.  The other hole, below this one looks like it might be man made.  We also found what looks to be an old bolt hole about 2 feet below the first bolt.  When the rotting boulder that allows clipping the first bolt from the "ground" falls apart it will be dicey with a bad fall getting the first bolt clipped.

On top of the Kasperek's we found seven bolts and the remnants of an eighth bolt.  Contrary to what Chuck Richards says in his guidebook, the original anchor bolt placed by Nelson, Houston, etc. was still there.  It was the same type of very old version of a Star Dryvin that we also found on H&L (another Houston route) and the top of the first pitch of Chaos Crag.  I will post a photo when I get a chance.  The other anchor bolt was a 1970's Star Dryvin/Leeper combo.  We replace both of these and added quick links and a link of chain for rappel.

Also on top of Kaperek's we found four Star Dryvins, most likely places in the 60's which must have been some sort of bolting practice since they served no purpose we could determine.  Also, they were placed incorrectly with only the nail and not the two sleeves on top of the hanger.  We removed all four and patched the holes.

Lastly, in yet another Pinnacles mystery we found the remnants of a rappel anchor which was set on the southwest corner(normal rappel anchor on the north east side) of the summit most likely to facilitate a rappel, for some unknown reason, down the largest face of the pinnacle.  This anchor was probably placed in the 50's or 60's.  One bolt which appeared to be a Star Dryvin was sheared off flush with the rock.  The second bolt was also a Star Dryvin with the blade of an old soft steel piton as the hanger.   We removed this bolt.  I will post a photo of this bolt when I get a chance.

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #391 on: January 26, 2015, 09:47:46 AM »
Nice Bruce (and Clint!) - I need to get out that way. I updated my master list.
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #392 on: January 26, 2015, 01:48:54 PM »
@Bruce, there are two routes down that area.  One starts off the big boulder that is at the bottom of the long face that is visible from the reservoir. The other one, when looking from the bottom is off to the right of the large face and is one of the most heinous looking things I have seen.  I think the bolts have been removed from the face but it is still possible to find the holes.  The aid route if I remember correctly is mostly old 1/4" studs and leapers (in loose crumbing mud).
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #393 on: January 26, 2015, 02:18:48 PM »
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the most heinous looking things I have seen

Like a couple of my partners.
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #394 on: January 26, 2015, 07:42:40 PM »
Here's a photo of several bolts from Kasperek's.

The one on the right is from the FA in 1946.  It is a early version of the Star Dryvin.  It lacks the lead sleeve which is supposed to increase the holding power(pullout strength of the bolt).  As a result this type of bolt is pretty easy to remove.

The one on the left is from the mysterious anchor on the southeast corner of the rock (thanks for the update, 'Mud.  That all seems to fit).  Notice that the hanger was made by cutting off the blade from an old, soft iron piton and then drilling a couple of holes in it.  Also notice the 3/8" cold shut as the final link in the chain.  Legendary.


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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #395 on: January 26, 2015, 08:45:09 PM »
If a bolt like the one from 1946 hasn't failed from use by now (although admittedly it's probably used only once a season), the stainless 3/8" bolts we're placing now will be around and good for 250 years.

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #396 on: January 26, 2015, 09:18:18 PM »
That rusty combo on the left is super cool.
 
Mud, how far up the face does the route that starts at the boulder go?  Every time i walk up the trail that way I look at that face, think how long it is, and go hmmmm.

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #397 on: January 27, 2015, 06:13:17 AM »
Bruce, What is the length of those 2 Star Dryvin bolts?
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #398 on: January 27, 2015, 06:39:25 AM »
it goes about 30 feet.  There is a section that is loose and kind of blank.  It will definitely go but it will be a somewhat difficult.  The upper part has three kind of cool looking water streaks.
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #399 on: January 27, 2015, 12:35:15 PM »
Bruce, What is the length of those 2 Star Dryvin bolts?

The one on the right is 2.5".  The one on the left is 2.0"

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