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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #360 on: January 13, 2015, 10:34:28 AM »
JC - Are the rap anchors on the Outcast setup so it is possible to TR the steep 5.8 face ( er, I forgot the name of that route ).

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #361 on: January 13, 2015, 11:39:59 AM »
JC - Are the rap anchors on the Outcast setup so it is possible to TR the steep 5.8 face ( er, I forgot the name of that route ).

I didn't check out the 5.8 TR Back Alley Driver but Brad and I were looking at Rock Naked. I positioned the new anchor to rappel over the Northeast Rib - very similar to the original anchor. It's only about a foot from that old allen bolt so it won't change the character of any of the routes. Brad shows that same anchor on the topo as meant to service all routes. You should be able to set up a TR for any of the routes with a cordalette or other extension. Someone also added a single bolt on the other side of the summit. It looks like a 3/8" wedge with I believe a metolius hanger. I'll take a magnet next time to see if it's stainless or carbon - there's no corrosion on it - looks relatively new. I'll take some pics next time out and document everything. That 3rd bolt is unnecessary with the new anchor but I suppose it could be used to set up a 3 point anchor for topropes. Someone probably added it after seeing the old anchor bolts. 
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #362 on: January 13, 2015, 02:04:04 PM »
Is Catatonic the 5.7?

Done Back Alley on TR.

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #363 on: January 13, 2015, 02:52:28 PM »
Back Alley Driver is what I was thinking of.  Fun TR or a decent lead.  Will probably be a better lead if a few dozen people TR it a few times.

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #364 on: January 13, 2015, 09:57:56 PM »
Is Catatonic the 5.7?

5.8 and it's on Knuckle - not Outcast.


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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #365 on: January 13, 2015, 10:12:44 PM »
Ah, I did the Northeast Rib 5.7*, then Back Alley. Brad dragged me out there one trip, or was it Mr Mud? In any event, it looked bad, but climbed pretty ok. Since we were there and there was no chance I was coming back, I took a TR spin on Back Alley belayed from above, as I recall.

Unfortunately, I think there was another trip involving Brad and a the 2nd ascent of Rock Naked. omg, loose as a goose!
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #366 on: January 14, 2015, 09:04:09 PM »
RE: Longware Hangers

The last bolt we replaced on Feather Canyon had a very rusted Longware hanger.  I took it down to my local bike shop and used their wire wheel to remove all the surface rust.  There in the middle of the hanger, barely visible, were the initials "LONG" all that was left of the original "LONGWARE" stamp on those hangers.

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #367 on: January 14, 2015, 09:07:36 PM »
RE: Longware Hangers

The last bolt we replaced on Feather Canyon had a very rusted Longware hanger.  I took it down to my local bike shop and used their wire wheel to remove all the surface rust.  There in the middle of the hanger, barely visible, were the initials "LONG" all that was left of the original "LONGWARE" stamp on those hangers.

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #368 on: January 14, 2015, 11:45:33 PM »
Killer Bruce! Did I miss you replaced some bolts on feather canyon?

Clint and I replaced all the old bolts on Feather Canyon, 14 in total, except the 3rd bolt on the 3rd pitch(wide chimney) which was added after the FA and is a 3/8" wedge bolt in so-so rock.

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #369 on: January 15, 2015, 08:25:51 AM »
Clint and I replaced all the old bolts on Feather Canyon, 14 in total, except the 3rd bolt on the 3rd pitch(wide chimney) which was added after the FA and is a 3/8" wedge bolt in so-so rock.

I was going to write something up, but I was in New York City last week attending the launch of the Cannondale-Garmin Pro Cycling team and have been writing a bunch of articles and submitting photos for the magazine which sent me so that has priority.

Thank you Bruce and Clint - I added it to the master list :)
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #370 on: January 15, 2015, 08:35:52 AM »
Clint and I replaced all the old bolts on Feather Canyon, 14 in total, except the 3rd bolt on the 3rd pitch(wide chimney) which was added after the FA and is a 3/8" wedge bolt in so-so rock.

I was going to write something up, but I was in New York City last week attending the launch of the Cannondale-Garmin Pro Cycling team and have been writing a bunch of articles and submitting photos for the magazine which sent me so that has priority.

Major thanks. Amazing route and a fav of mine.  The bolts in the chimney were some of the worst I've clipped.
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #371 on: January 15, 2015, 08:14:38 PM »
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #372 on: January 19, 2015, 10:42:04 AM »
Here's the skinny on the rebolting of Feather Canyon that Clint and I did.  As near as I can tell, all bolts placed by the FA party were a 1/2" diameter stud with internal threads that accepts a 3/8" threaded bolt.  As you tighten the bolt you push a pin to the back the stud which expands and provided holding power . It is really hard to replace this type of bolt without causing a huge crater so we unscrewed the bolt, removed the hanger and left the stud in place and patched over it.

It is interesting to note that when we unscrewed these bolts many had been cut to shorten them probably indicating that the bolt tightened up before it was flush with the stud.


All bolts we placed were 3.5"x3/8" SS Rawl(Powers) 5-piece bolts and Petzl Couer hangers.

Pitch 1: on the FA, no bolts were placed at the belay.  Sometime, probably in the 90's someone added a single, 3/8" non-SS wedge bolt.  More recently, someone took the hanger off that bolt and added two non-SS Rawl(Powers) 5-piece bolts and Fixe single ring hangers to the belay.  We didn't touch anything here.

Pitch 2: recently, someone added two non-SS Rawl(Powers) 5-piece bolts.  One bolt has a Fixe single ring hanger the other bolt has a 'standard' Fixe hanger.  We didn't touch anything here.

Pitch 3: The first bolt you reach was added after the FA.  It was a 3/8" Star Dryvin that was improperly placed(only the nail on the outside of the hanger.  We replaced it.  The second bolt was placed during the FA.  We replaced it.  The third bolt was a 3/8" wedge bolt, probably added in the 90's.  All the rock around the bolt was hollow.  Replacing it would have required moving it 6-8 feet and since it was not placed by the FA I left it, but did swap the Leeper hanger for a Petzl.  The fourth bolt was placed by the FA so it was replaced.

Pitch 4: the first bolt was a 1/4" Rawl split shaft.  It was probably not placed by the FA, but it has been there for a long time and it protects the crux so we replaced it.  My guess is that the tree there was a bit higher BITD so that bolt wasn't necessary on the FA.  The second bolt was placed by the FA so it was replaced.  Next were two studs with no bolts.  It is not clear why there were just studs.  Most likely the FA party had bolts in them and but were removed maybe because they were running out of hardware higher up.  We screwed 3/8" bolts(taken from the previous pitch) into those studs and put Petzl Couer hangers on them.  The bolt at the top of the pitch was replaced.  That makes five bolts on the crux pitch.  Three are SS and the middle two are not.

Pitch 5:  We replaced the two bolts placed by the FA party.  Clint found a hangerless stud between the two bolts, most likely placed by the FA, and decided to replace it with a SS Powers bolt.  That makes three bolts on this pitch.

Pitch 6: no bolts on this pitch(which was good since it was dark by the time we got there on our first attempt to rebolt the route).

Pitch 7: we replaced the single protection bolt.  The belay bolt was a 3/8" Star Dryvin which was probably not placed by the FA (it had a SS SMC hanger on it all other SMC hangers on this route were the old, thin, plated variety), but we replaced it anyway as it seemed like a good idea.

Pitch 8: we replaced all three protection bolts on this pitch even though the third bolt was a 3/8" Star Dryvin with a Longware hanger and most likely not placed by the FA.  We also replaced the two belay bolts on top of the pitch - the 2nd summit of H&L.  One bolt was a 1/4" Rawl split shaft.  The other was a very old Star Dryvin bolt most likely placed by Dick Houston and Fritz Lippmann on the FA of H&L in the 40's.  It came out very easily!

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #373 on: January 19, 2015, 11:48:43 AM »
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #374 on: January 20, 2015, 02:24:52 PM »
Begin It Now is completely done - all lead and anchor bolts.
I put the finishing touches on it yesterday.
The rappel puts you down right behind the tree on the walkoff for pitch 1.

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #375 on: January 20, 2015, 02:27:09 PM »
I think I would have left it with the established walk off.
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #376 on: January 20, 2015, 02:34:16 PM »
"Walk" ?
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #377 on: January 20, 2015, 02:41:21 PM »
I think I would have left it with the established walk off.

There was a two bolt anchor at the top which I replaced. It was two 3/8" star dryvins with Leepers - one was 2 1/2" and solid and the other was 2" and bad - the nail pulled with minimal force. There was a 2' sewn mammut runner threaded through the anchors which was looked virtually new. Someone must have been there fairly recently.

I added nothing - I only replaced existing bad hardware.

The walkoff only applies to pitch 1.
There is no walkoff for pitch 2
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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #378 on: January 20, 2015, 06:42:36 PM »
I think Mr. Mud may have misunderstood what go rebolted, that's all. It's not a walk off from the second pitch of Begin It Now, which ends on the actual summit (that's what John rebolted). Where we were sitting with the condors is a walk off, but the second pitch goes to the higher/actual summit and it would require very exposed and undercut fifth class downclimbing to get off from the actual summit.

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Re: Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread
« Reply #379 on: January 20, 2015, 06:52:13 PM »
Ok, got it. Thanks.
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