Official Rebolting and Route Hardware suggestion thread

[F4?]

Bruce/Clint your mods so you can update/change this thread as you wish.

1st Mungie. now Bruce and Clint...what about me?

PS, the aluminum rings are fine..for now.

[JC w KC redux]

PS, the aluminum rings are fine..for now.

Factor - no offense but you always say everything is fine - then Bruce and Clint go rebolt it!
Given the amount of traffic TT sees and the plethora of bozos that toprope there on a regular basis - the last thing we need is someone having an accident because of those aluminum rings. I can just see a big group doing something stupid like toproping directly off the anchor and wearing through them - or weakening them for the next unsuspecting/unaware party of newbie know nothings. I think they should either be replaced or removed - we'll be the ones who "pay" if something bad happens.

[squiddo]

The day F4 gets mod permission is the day I go back to thinking RC.com is a good site.

[F4?]

Come on Mr Mud...squiddo will go back to RC.com....

[squiddo]

Lol

[mynameismud]

JC, if you going back is probably good to clean that up.  If you could replace the rings with  two screw gates per bolt that would be great.

[mungeclimber]

agree with mr. mud. Single rap ring of that style is substandard, and not meant for toproping through, but invariably someone ends up doing just that. Replacing the rings would be ideal. Camouflaged if at all possible with some paint. Shiny metal might be visible from the parking lot.

[JC w KC redux]

JC, if you going back is probably good to clean that up.  If you could replace the rings with  two screw gates per bolt that would be great.

agree with mr. mud. Single rap ring of that style is substandard, and not meant for toproping through, but invariably someone ends up doing just that. Replacing the rings would be ideal. Camouflaged if at all possible with some paint. Shiny metal might be visible from the parking lot.

10-4 - thanks for the feedback guys.

[Atomizer]

Has anybody taken a look at the bolts on POD recently? I was pretty disgusted with the amount of corrosion on those things. Pretty standard incompatible carbon steel bolts and stainless hangers. It might be time to upgrade that thing. I propose 4 inch glue ins.

[MUCCI]

I would just add a fat omega rap ring to each link, and locktight the threads.

Done.

OR I have  some ASCA SS 3/8ths links, and some chain could be added?

I am a big fan of what clint et all do on new route rappel stations.  Sections of SS chain with SS link.  They cut the chain in different lengths to accomodate for weird bolting patterns.

Very slick.

[F4?]

Wow, really Atom? I remember when they were replaced...or were they?

That would be a sweet upgrade.

The Q is SS Glue-In or Rawl 5-P

Yeah, folks would lower through a glue-in.

Karl once suggested to use a SS threaded stock and then you could swap out the hanger.

[mungeclimber]

F4, why the fuk would you use mere threaded stock on a free climb, much less one that receives falls and traffic? 

F4, do you know what threaded stock is?  I'm suspecting you are misquoting Karl or leaving some explanation out.

[Atomizer]

I doubt you would see many people lowering off bolts on POD. After all it is only 10d....

[F4?]

Sigh...so it's a bad choice of my words saying threaded stock...sheesh.

Karl's suggestion which has stuck in my mind ....was to glue in the stud (stainless) that's threaded, then the hanger could be replaced. Replacing a glue in is ugly as they usually cut the bolt off and drill a new hole next to it. Try doing that with a hacksaw....not! In Europe or a non National Park replacement would be easy as you could use power tools.

Go to Mickeys Beach....you will see a line of bolt holes..ugly.

Hasn't Feed the B and Cantalope Death had glue-ins for about 10yrs??

Yeah, who falls on POD..no me.

[Atomizer]

I like the threaded rod idea.

Its not too hard to cut a gluein off with a handheld hacksaw blade, surprisingly soft in my mind. Which leaves doubt about what a rope would do, especially in a sandy area like redrocks. But POD doesn't have any sandy surfaces around where ropes would be handled.

Greg Barnes was concerned about creating a public that thinks the glueins are the only safe bolts.

[mungeclimber]

No threaded rod stock!!!!!

[Atomizer]

Threaded rod stock is not an evil in itself. You just need to find some that is forged in the proper way and is the same grade metal as the bolt hanger/hardware.

They seem to think threaded rod is OK at the ASCA.
http://www.safeclimbing.org/education/adhesivebolts.htm

[mungeclimber]

made for use with glue

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not the shite at the hardware store

[F4?]

not the shite at the hardware store

Depends on the HW store...no?

I know your local HW store next to where you live sells Powers SS...

[mungeclimber]

that's not a HW store. That's a fastener and building supply company.