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mynameismud

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vicious lies and slander
« on: June 13, 2011, 09:49:05 AM »
There is a rumored 5.13 in the works, hand drilled ground up.
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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2011, 10:50:45 AM »
KA = kickin ass
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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2011, 10:55:31 AM »
no rumor, truth. Mr 13b was raving about it.

same source???
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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2011, 01:27:08 PM »
one of the sources.
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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2011, 06:13:49 PM »
So you found our project?

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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2011, 06:18:57 PM »
which one?

:)

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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2011, 10:30:30 PM »
Mud, that's a good question.

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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2011, 07:41:24 AM »
The suspense is killing us. 

Please send that stuff so it can be posted, and do not forget to take pics.
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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2011, 08:23:10 AM »
sent it sunday. using 2x chalk bags.
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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2011, 09:05:44 AM »
2x chalk bags? fuk why didn't I think of that. Maybe because I always lose those things.

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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2011, 10:14:23 AM »
that's the Belizzi trademark.  I think you have to pay royalties.  ;D
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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2011, 10:49:29 AM »
Quote
that's the Belizzi trademark.

 ;D ;D
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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2011, 01:39:29 PM »
Isn't the title of this threat Vicious lies and slander?

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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2011, 03:27:30 PM »
I need to chime in to keep these rumors from turning into legend.  Derek & I have spent 7 days bolting, making safe, and occasionally even climbing this route.  “Mr. 13b” did put in the first bolt (a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away) and the grade does seem to be in the 13+ range.

To respect the local ethic & history, we bolted by hand on lead.  After three long days of bolting we hit a true wall.  We had passed the V7(ish) crux and hit a section that was all underclings and 90deg sidepulls.  We spent an entire day trying to find any way to place the 11th bolt and came to the realization that bolting a ladder would be the only way to continue bolting on lead.  So, we could have just stopped the route at 65% of the wall or start grid bolting the thing.  We brought a ¼” drill bit and a piece of ¼” rod to hang from.  Both of us tried to summon the courage to drill meaningless holes in the rock and both of us could not.  The rock is so steep there, that it would take two or three “work holes” for every actual bolt.  That means we get 3 or 4 holes in the rock for every bolt.

We spent three hours trying to do this and staring at the atrocity that is Ranger Bolt Ladder.  Then, we debated the meaning behind the ground up ethic.  I know that it is intended to have a sense of adventure, but the main point is to make us think twice about putting hammer to drill.  Isn’t the point to protect the rock and do as little damage to the rock as is necessary? So, is a bolt ladder preferable to hanging from a rope?  We even discussed leaving it as is.  Yes, another ¾ bolted project on the back side of the Monolith.  At least it would have good company.

In the end we decided that we had tried our best; we had drilled several bolts that would have meant ground falls if our piece popped, we tried every shenanigan that I learned from bolting previously at Pinns, we had made it 70’ up the wall, & Derek even had the pleasure of taking a dinner plate sized piece to the back (from 60’) when my hook tore it from the wall.   We refused to place three holes for every bolt, so we lowered in and placed a couple bolts.  [I know that this may not sit well with everyone, but I will gladly discuss it with anyone who wants to.]  Over, the next few days we continued the bolting on aid and lead until we hit the top.

The route is massive at over 37 meters.  It has two distinct cruxes and 17 bolts (almost all of which were bolted on lead).  We removed the makeshift anchor someone placed above and removed the current deadly Ranger Bolts anchor.  We then place one solid anchor that both routes can use, very close to the original Ranger anchor.

We then removed several death blocks and started working the route.  We have climbed every move, but really don’t know how hard it will end up being.  13+?  14-?  Or, will we find some super-tricky sequence?  We will not be able to find out until the fall, unless a massive cold snap hits.

Anyway, I know that was long, but I didn’t want to have any doubt as to how the route went up and what the grade will be.

Karl

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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2011, 03:49:13 PM »
Nice job!

Mr13b was pretty stoked and was raving about it.

I will keep my son on his training regimen. It'll be another 10 yrs, but worth the wait.
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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2011, 05:15:07 PM »
Karl,

Congrats, and to bad you got shut down and the all clean ground up bolt effort.  I have no problems with what is being done.  I think that you gave it an all out effort says a lot.  No one has consistenly pushed the upper end of the ground up ethic as far as you have.  Just glad to see you push it as far as you have.

Before talking to Mr 13b I had assumed all the bolting had been done top down.  When you end up going for the clean ascent if you all can manage take some picks and post up.  It is an impresive looking line.  Look forward to seeing what you do next.

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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2011, 09:59:17 PM »
That is really great to hear.

The nice thing is that it is cleaning up quite nicely.  There were some massive flakes (that we used during the bolting) which we took off and it still climbs well.  We think that it is almost completely cleaned up.  However, as we go for the ascent, I'm sure some stuff will come off.  But, I'm pretty sure all the stuff we are using so far will stay!

Now, I have something to look forward to in the fall!

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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2011, 05:06:09 PM »
Pinnacles rules, huh?  :o ;D

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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2011, 05:14:58 AM »
Wow, the line that even Sharma didn't think was possible, way back in the day. Good work guys, I can't wait to check it out, but for now it is off to the Range of Light.

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Re: vicious lies and slander
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2011, 05:55:57 AM »
Karl:

I'm desperately uncomfortable with any bolts ever going in top down at Pinns; it's just too slippery a slope. I wish they hadn't gone in that way here. But I continue to like, admire and respect you and your routes. Three reasons come immediately to mind:

1. You show immense respect for the rock;

2. You continue to show immense respect for the climbing community at Pinnacles, for it's collective views and values (even though you did something I wish you hadn't, it is clear to me that you didn't do it out of arrogance and/or disregard of others);

3. You are (and always have been to my knowledge) totally honest about what and how you've done things.

It's hard to argue with someone's approach to a climb when these three things are present.

Good luck with a redpoint. Sounds like you may have created a monster for yourselves here?

Do you have a working name for it yet? (Or did I miss that above?)

Sincerely,

Brad